atman (ic) pantheism
I’ve been busy of late. Midterms finished yesterday.
Have you ever ran into any one of those super-cool postmodern Christian pantheists who is really fascinated by Eastern religions, likes to think his ideas are philosophically brilliant (and rather original), but who, in reality, comes off as a misguided sentimentalist who has discarded the truth and the life and merely retained the way (in a Taoist/Hindu combo with Jesus at the head)? (wow, that’s a long question). If you haven’t encountered such thinking, you can here.
This is troublesome to me on several different levels. Perhaps it isn’t the bad theology alone that makes me uncomfortable, but rather how inviting and “good” his ideas sound.
“The Way of Jesus, then, is not an exclusive path - negating other modes of life or religiosity. People in other religions and lifestyles very often follow this Way better than we Christians do.”
I’m sure this idea seems very “good” in the eyes of many Christians, but it’s simply not true. “I am the way, the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father except through me.” Jn 14:6 Following Christ can, though not always, negate other modes of life or religiosity. The question of when and to what extend “negation” should occur is indelibly convoluted, and it must be remembered that humanistic compassion (”I’m on the peace core cause I love people,” “I’m a stemcell researcher cause I love people and want to make humanity immortal”) will not get anyone to heaven.
“This entails tuning into the Spirit of God that is present in every human being and in Creation (consider a suggestion that the Holy Spirit may not have been sent on Pentecost, rather recognized on Pentecost).”
Finally, we have the pantheistic heresy of monism. Many philosophers have thrown this idea around, and of course Hinduism recognizes an all-permeating universal law: dharma. Indeed, when we realize “thou art that” and become atman, one with our real self (realize our identity in the universal dharma), moksha, or release is accomplished. Or, if you’re a western philosopher, you need only read Spinoza and his account of Substance (Ethics).
Anyway, you can read the article and make your own critique; just be wary of too much incorporation; for Christianity is not an open set of believes that may be added to at will and manipulated for maximum relativity.



Oct 15th 2004
Right on, it’s good to know someone other than my wife thinks I’m “super-cool.”
(sarcasm detected)
I appreciate your views and your thoughts. I’d love to respond, and will… but my sister is in from Colorado for the weekend. I’ll respond on Monday or (more likely) Tuesday either on my Blog or as a comment here. Thanks for the “ping.”
Oct 15th 2004
i wasn’t intially thinking of “pinging” you (then I decided I should to be fair) when I wrote the critique, hence the somewhat ad hominem description.
i’m sure you are genuinely very cool - I do appreciate your taking time to explore this way of thinking.
perhaps i am disconcerted by how “cool” this sort of thinking can be; when, as such, I feel that it is not entirely true.
Oct 15th 2004
I seriously understand and acknowledge your concern. I also appreciate your “fairness” in letting me know about your critique. Perhaps this will crack open up a good discussion… we’ll have to see how that goes. I’m more than interested in hearing more about where you’re coming from… your interest in philosophy and Jesus is intriguing, for sure. Will post an acutal reply on Tuesday.
Oct 16th 2004
I was reading both of your writings this morning (trev diesel and tim)and I too would like to hear more of your beliefs, Tim. I strongly agree with most of the opinions of Trevor’s article. If you claim to be a christian, I would presume that you believe in God, share a relationship with God and that you live a life of giving and showing love…living a life of how he would want you to. I will wait for another posting from you as well; It would be hard to believe you would actually think that someone believing or simply going to church every Sunday would pave the path of your entry to heaven. But maybe you don’t believe that…I will wait for another article.
Oct 16th 2004
Dear anonymous and Trevor, I’ve posted a clarification in a post (too long for a comment). You can see it here
The Specifics
Oct 16th 2004
woa - my link didn’t work (and I’ve been at work all day). here it is in typed out form:
http://bluedrop7.blogspot.com/2004/10/specifism-ad-universalis.html
try
this
Oct 24th 2004
“I am the way, the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father except through me.”
Who IS Christ? Who is the Father? What is truth? Your exclusivity ignores the most central questions in theology. If exclusion is grounded in homogenous substance, then the fully human fully divine Christ is not such a “thing” Nor would the trinity strike me as falling simply into the category of an exclusionary essence. These essential themes point to a God and a beliefe which are heterogeneous, hopsitable
dhalgren
through a link at Travis’ sodsbrood.com site